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if the american people wanted paul ryan's plan, they would have voted for paul ryan. they didn't. they voted for compromise. and that's not happening. wouldn't the most direct way, the best way would be a counteroffer of some sort? with specifics? >> well, you know, don, i think they have done that. i'm not in the room, so i can't say, you know what they're saying when they close the doors. by the way, you know, what i would love, don, you and i can both promote this idea. all of these negotiations should be in front of the cspan cameras and the cnn cameras, these should not be closed door negotiations. the american people should see what both sides are -- >> then it turns into a theater, though, stephen. >> no, no. look, but what happens now is everybody is -- somebody said this and nobody knows who is being really truthful about what's being offered. i think -- i shoot for transparency. i think this should all be in the sunlight and you would have monster ratings. people would tune in. >> i'm for tran paresparency bu grandstanding. >> i think this is probably going to linger on
if the american people wanted paul ryan's plan, they would have voted for paul ryan. they didn't. they voted for compromise. and that's not happening. wouldn't the most direct way, the best way would be a counteroffer of some sort? with specifics? >> well, you know, don, i think they have done that. i'm not in the room, so i can't say, you know what they're saying when they close the doors. by the way, you know, what i would love, don, you and i can both promote this idea. all of these...
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. >> even the paul ryan plan on medicare doesn't really take effect for years down the road. do you want something more immediate? >> i think the debt crisis that we face requires us to make serious decisions and it requires us to make those decisions now. thank you. >> those remarks from house speaker john boehner. and more about the fiscal cliff negotiations with house majority leader eric kantor. >> what was your reaction? >> you know, i think we have said that offer is not a serious offer. all of a sudden they're asking for $1.6 trillion in tax hikes and nowhere near that number in spending reforms. and what we've always said is we want to fix the problem. we want to make sure that we get a hand on these unfunded obligations connected with the into itment programs. we want to start the spending problem so we can then go about trying to manage down the debt and deaf sifment and we don't want to aggravate a struggling economy. we want to get people back to work, which is why again, we take the position that raising tax rates is absolutely not something that helps get people
. >> even the paul ryan plan on medicare doesn't really take effect for years down the road. do you want something more immediate? >> i think the debt crisis that we face requires us to make serious decisions and it requires us to make those decisions now. thank you. >> those remarks from house speaker john boehner. and more about the fiscal cliff negotiations with house majority leader eric kantor. >> what was your reaction? >> you know, i think we have said that...
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ryan. call it about the path to prosperity because for the first time in my lifetime, this congress got serious about making the tough choices necessary to get us out of these record-setting deficits. and that's so important because i get so tired, mr. speaker, as i know you do, too, pointing the finger. it's his fault, it's their fault, this budget is not about blame. this budget is about solutions. that distinguishes us, particularly in this fiscal cliff debate, from the white house and from the senate which continue to talk in broad platitudes but have failed to lay out the difficult, difficult line by line explanation of what their proposal would be to solve these problems. we did that in our budget, mr. speaker, and it was hard. there's a reason the united states senate has not passed a budget, mr. speaker, in almost four years, and it's because it's hard. budget is a statement of your values. it's a statement of your values. we confiscate all of this money in tax revenue from the amer
ryan. call it about the path to prosperity because for the first time in my lifetime, this congress got serious about making the tough choices necessary to get us out of these record-setting deficits. and that's so important because i get so tired, mr. speaker, as i know you do, too, pointing the finger. it's his fault, it's their fault, this budget is not about blame. this budget is about solutions. that distinguishes us, particularly in this fiscal cliff debate, from the white house and from...
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you are never going to get michelle bachmann paul ryan god bless america. for all of the other ones moderate republicans and those are like, wait a second. i am going to be in a tough primary fight. in the mid-term election, going to be in the mid-term fight against a democratic candidate. they are going to have to come to the middle. i think there is also, new republicans republicans, you know, in the united states congress like the bob corker's of this world, pat tumis whom say let's get something done because if we don't, it will be unpopular and we will get nothing done. >> the question is whether john boehner is going to be able to get that vote of the tea party members of the house. so far, what i find disgusting, if the republicans could have made this deal six months ago because they were so cocky. they figured they were going to knock obama out, it was going to be a different world. right? so they went home and said we will wait for the election. and let the people decide. we will be in charge after this eriction. guess what. >> that's what they di
you are never going to get michelle bachmann paul ryan god bless america. for all of the other ones moderate republicans and those are like, wait a second. i am going to be in a tough primary fight. in the mid-term election, going to be in the mid-term fight against a democratic candidate. they are going to have to come to the middle. i think there is also, new republicans republicans, you know, in the united states congress like the bob corker's of this world, pat tumis whom say let's get...
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ryan who came by here in the hallway. i asked him -- he was in that meeting with tim geithner a little while ago. i asked him what geithner specifically had put on the table, if anything. ryan declining to comment here. he said, i'm trying to keep a low profile these days. i'm not going to come on cnbc and tell but it. he did say he thinks speaker boehner's press conference a little while after the geithner meeting really speaks for itself. let's take a listen to what boehner had to say. this is a little bit of what spooked the markets earlier today. >> despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. and secondly, no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> so who is it, who's not being serious here? no surprise, the democrats think it is the republicans who aren't being serious up on capitol hill. take a listen to harry reid a little while ago as well. >> republicans
ryan who came by here in the hallway. i asked him -- he was in that meeting with tim geithner a little while ago. i asked him what geithner specifically had put on the table, if anything. ryan declining to comment here. he said, i'm trying to keep a low profile these days. i'm not going to come on cnbc and tell but it. he did say he thinks speaker boehner's press conference a little while after the geithner meeting really speaks for itself. let's take a listen to what boehner had to say. this...
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governor romney met with his former running mate as well, congressman paul ryan. that happened earlier. those are the headlines right now here in the fox newsroom. back to tracy. tracy: jamie colby, thank you very much. >> reporter: you're welcome. tracy: oil poised to snap a three legs losing streak amid growing hopes that congress and the president can reach an agreement. maybe they know something we don't and potentially avoid the fiscal cliff. sandra smith has details in today's trade. they will think they will get it done, what? >> that's correct. the markets can tell us a lot of things and the markets are telling us maybe a deal will get done. look at the crude oil market up 2%. hear is the weekly chart. going back to the win beginning of the week it was down, down. we had consecutive daily drops in oil. we reached this low in yesterday's trading session and now we have a bid in the oil market. so there is some anticipation we'll get some sort of resolution by year's end. a nice hefty boost by a couple bucks today. whether or not that continues will be up fo
governor romney met with his former running mate as well, congressman paul ryan. that happened earlier. those are the headlines right now here in the fox newsroom. back to tracy. tracy: jamie colby, thank you very much. >> reporter: you're welcome. tracy: oil poised to snap a three legs losing streak amid growing hopes that congress and the president can reach an agreement. maybe they know something we don't and potentially avoid the fiscal cliff. sandra smith has details in today's...
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paul ryan has a key role in these budget talks of course as well. where they stand, a short time ago vice president biden went to a local costco here in washington, d.c., proclaimed himself optimistic they would get a deal. the fact of the matter yesterday, erskine bowles, a key player as well, saying he is slightly pessimistic. he says there is 2/3 chance they will go off the fiscal cliff. that is not what the markets want to hear, jon. jon: not at all. ed henry at the white house. if jay carney relents and let you into the meeting give us a shot. we'll be on air. >> reporter: i will give you a copy of the menu. jon: please do, thanks. jenna: we'll forget about politicians just for a moment. i promise we'll return there surely over the next couple hours. let's talk about some renewed private sector pushing to really slash the federal budget. a group called citizens against government waste is calling for nearly $2 trillion in cuts the next five years. doug mckelway is live with the story. doug, how realistic is that goal? >> reporter: how realistic
paul ryan has a key role in these budget talks of course as well. where they stand, a short time ago vice president biden went to a local costco here in washington, d.c., proclaimed himself optimistic they would get a deal. the fact of the matter yesterday, erskine bowles, a key player as well, saying he is slightly pessimistic. he says there is 2/3 chance they will go off the fiscal cliff. that is not what the markets want to hear, jon. jon: not at all. ed henry at the white house. if jay...
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. >> i know you just ran into paul ryan who is romney's running mate there on capitol hill. what did he tell you about the lunch between romney and the president? >> reporter: i was just running down stairs to grab something to drink and i -- the basement and there alone talking to a reporter was paul ryan back to being a regular congressman. he will meet with romney later this afternoon an romney has lunch at the white house with the president. i overheard ryan as i went by and stopped listened for a southern california say he is a friend of mine, good to see him but talk about a big change. a month ago jetting all over the country, now just another congressman. >> it would be safe to assume that at lunch there will be a discussion about the fiscal cliff. >> reporter: i would think but i don't know what to think about what's going on. have you to believe first it's one of the most awkward meetings, that's got to eat at you from the inside out. >> yeah. and there was not a lot of love lost during the debates. that's part of politics. >> reporter: you go back and look at the
. >> i know you just ran into paul ryan who is romney's running mate there on capitol hill. what did he tell you about the lunch between romney and the president? >> reporter: i was just running down stairs to grab something to drink and i -- the basement and there alone talking to a reporter was paul ryan back to being a regular congressman. he will meet with romney later this afternoon an romney has lunch at the white house with the president. i overheard ryan as i went by and...
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romney is scheduled to meet with his former running mate paul ryan. this will be happening after the lunch. >> the white house to send representatives to capitol hill to find out the conditions of the looming fiscal cliff. they complain that the white house has not provided them on how the president will curb medicaid and medicare. if the president has been consistent and that he does not want the tax to go for people who are under too much as $50. he is adamant that any new tax revenue must come from--he once rates lowered and was is that and find a middle ground. >> in bay area a news they have released the names of two girls were shot and killed over the weekend in oakland. a 16 year-old girl and a another 15 year-old were found shot to death about 6:00 in the morning in east oakland. they have been hit by multiple gunshot loans. if they stated that they do not have a modem and they do not know why these girls were on the street along. no arrests have been made. >> oakland police are asking for your help. there is a 16 year-old girl walked away fro
romney is scheduled to meet with his former running mate paul ryan. this will be happening after the lunch. >> the white house to send representatives to capitol hill to find out the conditions of the looming fiscal cliff. they complain that the white house has not provided them on how the president will curb medicaid and medicare. if the president has been consistent and that he does not want the tax to go for people who are under too much as $50. he is adamant that any new tax revenue...
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the details of paul ryan's plan have something to the degree. and during the debate, they had a lot on it, a lot of the concessions. >> you have to grandfather the middle class at a minimum. you don't need it on a go forward basis, the reason to have more mortgage interest deduction to start with is the interest rates in this country, and -- stuart: i agree with you. the grandfather concept, and have a mortgage. and can i suddenly not deduct the mortgage i had 25 years? >> a horrible thing for you. stuart: are we agreed on this? [talking over each other] charles: something is going to happen that people don't like. will be very unpopular with a bunch of people. they will pay higher taxes. stuart: treasury secretary tim geithner, on capitol hill, the fiscal cliff. isn't this what president obama should be doing? going on a pant decamping trail, and the tax the rich plan. he won the election. who else does he need to convince? doug shoen still a democrat. why is this, why is tim geithner talking to congressional leaders, politicians? >> we are not
the details of paul ryan's plan have something to the degree. and during the debate, they had a lot on it, a lot of the concessions. >> you have to grandfather the middle class at a minimum. you don't need it on a go forward basis, the reason to have more mortgage interest deduction to start with is the interest rates in this country, and -- stuart: i agree with you. the grandfather concept, and have a mortgage. and can i suddenly not deduct the mortgage i had 25 years? >> a...
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and interestingly enough, he's going to meet with paul ryan. where that goes is also anybody's guess, but before that meeting, the speaker's office telling us they accepted the meeting only on the condition that the white house bring up some specific spending cuts and get serious about spending, i talked to senator lindsay gram, a republican, just before geithner walked into the building. he said he doesn't think there's that much asphalt on the road for reins to talk about tax increases at this point, he want f s to see some specific offers from the democrats. >> we'll be coming back to you not too long from now. >>> now to a big earnings mover in the luxury retail sales. brian, i read through your note that you issued this morning. you said still weak but not dismal. same store sales up 1%. inventories climbed 11%. this is not dismal, they are cutting the third year. >> as i look through the results today and there's no question on the face of them, they look really bad. tiffany did earnings per share of 45 cents, we were at 62 cents, i think
and interestingly enough, he's going to meet with paul ryan. where that goes is also anybody's guess, but before that meeting, the speaker's office telling us they accepted the meeting only on the condition that the white house bring up some specific spending cuts and get serious about spending, i talked to senator lindsay gram, a republican, just before geithner walked into the building. he said he doesn't think there's that much asphalt on the road for reins to talk about tax increases at...
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while in washington, romney will sit down with his former running mate, paul ryan. now, that lunch is not going to be open to the media. but, oh, to be a fly or anything on that wall. >> awkward. have fun, fellas. >>> when we come back this morning, get your motor running. the new cars getting the buzz at the l.a. auto show. >>> and you're going to need big bucks at starbucks. the $7 cup of coffee is here. >>> and we can't get enough of powerball. what we're learning about the winning tickets. and a little advice for next time. >>> and welcome back, everyone. three former bp workers are free this morning after being arraigned on manslaughter charger, stemming from the deepwater horizon oil rig explosion. they pleaded not guilty yesterday in new orleans and were released on bond. the men are accused of disregarding high pressure readings just before the blast that killed 11 workers in april of 2010. >>> and there is encouraging news in the fed's latest snapshot of the economy. the report known as the beige book, shows steady economic growth in recent weeks, led by co
while in washington, romney will sit down with his former running mate, paul ryan. now, that lunch is not going to be open to the media. but, oh, to be a fly or anything on that wall. >> awkward. have fun, fellas. >>> when we come back this morning, get your motor running. the new cars getting the buzz at the l.a. auto show. >>> and you're going to need big bucks at starbucks. the $7 cup of coffee is here. >>> and we can't get enough of powerball. what we're...
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. >> and while he is in town, he will meet with congressman paul ryan. they have kept in touch and at a are catching up somewhere off cap capt hill where ryan has returned to work. >> steve: i wonder if candy crowley will be invited. >> gretchen: it is a photop. it is disappointing in the sense. if it were president bill clinton, you might think that something. ideas might be exchanged with one another. >> steve: some folks suggest that maybe the president would offer him secretary of business. >> gretchen: really? wait a minute. what percentage of people watching right now think that president obama would offer mitt romney secretary of business. >> brian: that is. >> gretchen: that would be fantastic but i doubt it. >> brian: in reading his bio. one of the business mistake was working in the cabinet for president nixon. i am personally kind of disappointed that bee are talking about tax rates for the rich. >> steve: campaign. >> brian: what about the middle class people standing in the back drop as they need a break and the president urging for somethin
. >> and while he is in town, he will meet with congressman paul ryan. they have kept in touch and at a are catching up somewhere off cap capt hill where ryan has returned to work. >> steve: i wonder if candy crowley will be invited. >> gretchen: it is a photop. it is disappointing in the sense. if it were president bill clinton, you might think that something. ideas might be exchanged with one another. >> steve: some folks suggest that maybe the president would offer...
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first harry reid at about 10:00 and then followed by a session with john boehner, eric cantor, paul ryan and chairman of the house's tax writing ways and means committee dave camp. also lunch with republican senate minority leader mitch mcconnell and nancy pelosi. yesterday a number of high profile corporate leaders met with president obama at the white house, including lloyd blankfein. >> both sides have acknowledge there had is revenue concessions and entitlement concessions. in fact if you listen to it, again, i'm not a master of the political art here, but i would say if you have these point of views in a business context, i would say a deal would be in reach. >> among our guests this morning, we have ron johnson. at the white house today, president obama will host mitt romney for a private lunch. it's their first meeting since the election. and this his victory speech, obama promised to engage with romney and consider his ideas. >> a lot of people didn't think the lunch would ever happen. >> interesting if he's going to be talking about ideas, mitt romney's idea had been to reach so
first harry reid at about 10:00 and then followed by a session with john boehner, eric cantor, paul ryan and chairman of the house's tax writing ways and means committee dave camp. also lunch with republican senate minority leader mitch mcconnell and nancy pelosi. yesterday a number of high profile corporate leaders met with president obama at the white house, including lloyd blankfein. >> both sides have acknowledge there had is revenue concessions and entitlement concessions. in fact if...
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democrats will say that's the paul ryan precedent, that in his medicare plan, the vast majority of all changes take place a decade from now. so republicans are going to have to swallow a tax increase today for medicare cuts on a faraway tomorrow. and as far as what those tax cuts look like, there's going to be a tax rate increase, certainly in the short term. and if you just look at the -- there's an article you can link to our piece today, just look at the top 20 loopholes in deductions. and it shows that it's virtually impossible to close or change any of the most expensive ones. so you're probably going to end up with some kind of total cap on deductions or some sort of alternative minimum tax rate for rich people. so you can jack up the amount of revenue that you're getting for people making over $250,000 or $500,000, whatever the end number is. but again, if you listen to the rhetoric on camera, it sounds like well, there's no way there will be a deal. if you talk to people who have been in the room, they say calm down. it's going to be ugly, but we think we can eventually get the
democrats will say that's the paul ryan precedent, that in his medicare plan, the vast majority of all changes take place a decade from now. so republicans are going to have to swallow a tax increase today for medicare cuts on a faraway tomorrow. and as far as what those tax cuts look like, there's going to be a tax rate increase, certainly in the short term. and if you just look at the -- there's an article you can link to our piece today, just look at the top 20 loopholes in deductions. and...
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he's also seeing running mate paul ryan for the first time since the election. finally, michelle obama unveiled the holiday decorations at the white house which featured 54 christmas trees, a gingerbread house and a statue of the first dog which looked real. >>> let's go to wall street where markets did see a boost. the dow opens at 12,985. that is after rising 106 points yesterday. the s&p 500 added 10. the nasdaq gained 23. in tokyo, neat okay was up 92 points and the hang seng gained 14. chain stores release november retail sales figures todayment a new survey shows most adults would postpone holiday shopping until january if they could save money. >>> and a different survey found that holiday parties are making a comeback with 83% of companies hosting an event this season. researchers have tested the foam in 100 couches and 40% contained banned toxic chemicals that can cause cancer. >>> a recall has been ordered of a trampoline for safety reasons. it involves sports power park side model trampolines sold at sports authority stores between april 2007 and may
he's also seeing running mate paul ryan for the first time since the election. finally, michelle obama unveiled the holiday decorations at the white house which featured 54 christmas trees, a gingerbread house and a statue of the first dog which looked real. >>> let's go to wall street where markets did see a boost. the dow opens at 12,985. that is after rising 106 points yesterday. the s&p 500 added 10. the nasdaq gained 23. in tokyo, neat okay was up 92 points and the hang seng...
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and then with house republicans including speaker john boehner, eric cantor and paul ryan. geithner will lunch with mitch mcconnell and then house minority leader nancy pelosi. president obama is signaling he's flexible on on where tax rates should go for the wealthiest americans. a return to the clinton era tax rates would have households pay between 36% to 39%. the president met with a group of 14 ceos wednesday afternoon. they offered support for resolving the if i can crisis with a proposal for higher taxes for those who make more than a quarter million dollars a year. sdl bo >> both sides have acknowledged that there will be revenue concessions and sbilgtment cent concessio concessions. i'm not a master of the political art here, but i would say if you have these point of views in a business context as close as they are, i would say a deal would be in reach. >> ford chairman bill ford junior agrees with blankfein saying he's confident the obama administration can reach a deal with congress to avoid the fiscal cliff. but speaking with reporters in bangkok, he says the a
and then with house republicans including speaker john boehner, eric cantor and paul ryan. geithner will lunch with mitch mcconnell and then house minority leader nancy pelosi. president obama is signaling he's flexible on on where tax rates should go for the wealthiest americans. a return to the clinton era tax rates would have households pay between 36% to 39%. the president met with a group of 14 ceos wednesday afternoon. they offered support for resolving the if i can crisis with a proposal...
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paul ryan said the reason we won is because we did tpwhell you shallen areas. we won his hometown by 24 points and he lost it by ten and it's not an you shallen area. so it's disturbing within eighty days there is that think about that gift to young people, latinos. gifts of contraception to women. so if that's your diagnosis, and it actually has eerie echoes of the 47%. so to the think of soul searching. governor romney is going off the stage. others who are going to be facing voters in 2014 and 2016 are going to be most prominent in deciding a direction. i think that would be concerning to anybody in the republican party is thinking how do we get more square with the country as it exists today. >> i think technology played an interesting role in both of those moments and perhaps others in the campaign. i'd love to hear you talk about this for a moment. for example, in a previous era the 47% tape might never have been made or might have only been an audio taped and leaked to the "new york times" or "washington post" or some other newspaper and excerpts would h
paul ryan said the reason we won is because we did tpwhell you shallen areas. we won his hometown by 24 points and he lost it by ten and it's not an you shallen area. so it's disturbing within eighty days there is that think about that gift to young people, latinos. gifts of contraception to women. so if that's your diagnosis, and it actually has eerie echoes of the 47%. so to the think of soul searching. governor romney is going off the stage. others who are going to be facing voters in 2014...
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[indiscernible] paul ryan goes the other way. give a dynamic of where we are right now. the final question is why is it simpson-bowles and not bowles- simpson? >> i will take the latter first. the reason is not bowles-simpson is the acronym for that is not appropriate. [laughter] simpson-bowles means son of a bitch, so it makes no difference. this council and others, it is to back these guys up who have the guts to do this. no one knows politics better than you. we have worked together for years. there is a political price. these groups will begin to circle. we will raise more bucks to be right there at their backs until our backs cave in. if the tipping point comes and we go over the cliff, the people in america who are looking around when they go to borrow money to send their kid to community college and it has gone up 2% interest rates, they will say, who did this? what a jerk allow this to happen? they will say, you were the rigid one who would never do anything and we will take it out on you. i hope it does happen. i think the guys who have the guts to go big or go
[indiscernible] paul ryan goes the other way. give a dynamic of where we are right now. the final question is why is it simpson-bowles and not bowles- simpson? >> i will take the latter first. the reason is not bowles-simpson is the acronym for that is not appropriate. [laughter] simpson-bowles means son of a bitch, so it makes no difference. this council and others, it is to back these guys up who have the guts to do this. no one knows politics better than you. we have worked together...
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ryan comes to mind now. so i remember back in that time and i can -- this was off the record at the time, i know i can say it now because he said something like this publicly but newt gingrich in 19 -- something in the early 90 -- in early 1990, maybe late 1989, said to me that actually it wouldn't be such a bad thing if george h.w. bush was defeated in 1992 because he and his cohorts in the house, republican caucus, could ride a big wave of wins in the 1994 mid terms if history was any judge, which of course they went on to do. i don't think even then he really thought he could get the majority but he knew he could get a big minority and in the meantime get bob mica the house leader. when you take that story about george bush losing in 1992, together with bob byrd predicting that george h.w. bush wouldn't win in 1992, you really understand just what a risk george h.w. bush took and what a statesman i think he was. and that, i will come, not to the present but with another anecdote midway in between. i cover
ryan comes to mind now. so i remember back in that time and i can -- this was off the record at the time, i know i can say it now because he said something like this publicly but newt gingrich in 19 -- something in the early 90 -- in early 1990, maybe late 1989, said to me that actually it wouldn't be such a bad thing if george h.w. bush was defeated in 1992 because he and his cohorts in the house, republican caucus, could ride a big wave of wins in the 1994 mid terms if history was any judge,...
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. >> paul ryan's going to stay on as chairman of the house budget committee even though there were term limits, he's got an exemption from that. >> yeah. >> what's his future? how does that look? >> i don't know. he's been very quiet so far on the fiscal cliff. presumably he'll have a lot to say about that. there's some reporting that has suggested that he's really pushing republicans not surprisingly on holding the line on serious reforms to entitlements. remember the ryan budget, two of the big areas it really went after were depending on the version were social security reform and medicare reform. and steve overmyer far it seems to be that's where he's headed. i'm waiting for ryan to say something to jump into this debate about revenue and whether he's going to hold the line there where a lot of republicans have been modifying their position. but so far he's been very quiet since the election's ended. i think he's trying to figure out his postelection role in the gop and maybe whether he's going to set himself up to run for president in 2016 or not. >> i suspect he's got a good futur
. >> paul ryan's going to stay on as chairman of the house budget committee even though there were term limits, he's got an exemption from that. >> yeah. >> what's his future? how does that look? >> i don't know. he's been very quiet so far on the fiscal cliff. presumably he'll have a lot to say about that. there's some reporting that has suggested that he's really pushing republicans not surprisingly on holding the line on serious reforms to entitlements. remember the...
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governor romney will be in town meeting with paul ryan. before the president's comments, house speaker john boehner and other republicans met with reporters saying they're willing to consider new sources of revenue as a solution to avoiding the fiscal cliff but will not consider raising marginal tax rates. this is about 10 minutes. >> good morning, everyone. in going over the fiscal cliff -- going over the fiscal cliff will hurt our economy and hurt job creation in our country. republicans are committed to continuing to work with the president to come to an agreement to avert the so-called fiscal cliff. it's one reason why we believe that we put revenue on the table, as long as it's accompanied by serious spending cuts to avert this crisis. we believe that this fits the president's request for a balanced approach to this issue. and we're going to continue to work with the president to try to resolve this in a way that is fair for the american people. we all know that we've had the spending crisis coming at us like a fraggete train. and it
governor romney will be in town meeting with paul ryan. before the president's comments, house speaker john boehner and other republicans met with reporters saying they're willing to consider new sources of revenue as a solution to avoiding the fiscal cliff but will not consider raising marginal tax rates. this is about 10 minutes. >> good morning, everyone. in going over the fiscal cliff -- going over the fiscal cliff will hurt our economy and hurt job creation in our country....
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. >> he's an ally of paul ryan and sits -- if you look at where he sits along -- >> interesting. >> and he's a former pollster. >> i'm not being critical of tom cole. >> i know you're not. having the guts but as a guy that abhors raising taxes, if we're going to raise taxes, i say we raise taxes after we get the other side agreeing they'll save medicare. that they'll save medicaid and social security. that they're going to cut discretionary spending. you know, i will pay more taxes and americans will pay more taxes but not just so they can cop out like so many governors do and not make tough cuts. >> i talked to really severe republicans in the south and alabama and arkansas and they say the same thing and say we're prepared to do that but not unless there's some significant cuts on the other side but they are. talking about the fact they really are -- they're prepared to raise revenue. >> if you give washington money is my opinion and give washington money with no strings attached they will not only spend that money. they will create new programs that will not only spend that money but
. >> he's an ally of paul ryan and sits -- if you look at where he sits along -- >> interesting. >> and he's a former pollster. >> i'm not being critical of tom cole. >> i know you're not. having the guts but as a guy that abhors raising taxes, if we're going to raise taxes, i say we raise taxes after we get the other side agreeing they'll save medicare. that they'll save medicaid and social security. that they're going to cut discretionary spending. you know, i...
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paul ryan i think is a potential candidate in 2016 and then a number of others, bob mcdonald, the governor of virginia. if he finds something that's helpful to him to raise his profile. i think these guys are trying to get an idea of what the contributions would be like. what the field looks like. what kind of platform they could put together to appeal to the voters that mitt romney did not. obviously, mitt romney had a huge deficit with african-american voters, hispanic voters and women voters, so i think these potential candidates are trying to map it out. >> david corn, when george w. bush ran, he got such a quick surge in the polls that no one was able to stop him. is jeb bush that guy this time? is he the one that if he makes it clear he's running, others will decide not to? >> you know, i still wonder if two words come to mind. too soon. i mean, the george w. bush presidency is still not held in high esteem amongst many voters who still blame bush for the economic downturn at the end of his administration that has carried us to this day. jeb bush has the ability to talk to hispanic,
paul ryan i think is a potential candidate in 2016 and then a number of others, bob mcdonald, the governor of virginia. if he finds something that's helpful to him to raise his profile. i think these guys are trying to get an idea of what the contributions would be like. what the field looks like. what kind of platform they could put together to appeal to the voters that mitt romney did not. obviously, mitt romney had a huge deficit with african-american voters, hispanic voters and women...
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i believe the paul ryan approach was not the right approach. i thought his idea of premium support would raise the cost of medicare is turned on many seniors. i think it was unworkable and did not support. some suggest raising the medicare retirement age. i have trouble with that. my trouble is in my family, i have an older brother who passed away a few years ago appeared when he retired, he had health insurance from his employer and then had a massive heart attack and surgery. they canceled his insurance. my very conservative republican brother, who had no use for a social program, started counting the days until he was eligible for medicare. that was the only place he could turn. what was at stake were all the savings he put together for his family. if anybody wants to talk about a later eligibility age for medicare, what i want to hear is the assurance and guarantee that people like my brother will have access to affordable health care insurance during any time. until i hear that, i am skeptical. i want to see more before i go forward. when
i believe the paul ryan approach was not the right approach. i thought his idea of premium support would raise the cost of medicare is turned on many seniors. i think it was unworkable and did not support. some suggest raising the medicare retirement age. i have trouble with that. my trouble is in my family, i have an older brother who passed away a few years ago appeared when he retired, he had health insurance from his employer and then had a massive heart attack and surgery. they canceled...
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during my 11 years in congress, paul ryan was my comrade and my partner against women's rights. paul, all never forget our times together trying to redefine rape. these were the days. and don't worry, buddy, i got the message. i'll never again say out loud what we really think. very candid, mr. akin. and check it out, the book even comes with pictures. here's one of the dynamic duo. what a nice trip down memory lane. well, let's move on to chapter three. this one is titled "you can always do worse." also, let's move here, here's how. after you've alienated and
during my 11 years in congress, paul ryan was my comrade and my partner against women's rights. paul, all never forget our times together trying to redefine rape. these were the days. and don't worry, buddy, i got the message. i'll never again say out loud what we really think. very candid, mr. akin. and check it out, the book even comes with pictures. here's one of the dynamic duo. what a nice trip down memory lane. well, let's move on to chapter three. this one is titled "you can always...
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ryan is in congress trying to draft person hood amendments that limit a woman's right to choose. they are not for lily ledbetter the fair pay act to give women equality in the workplace. and mitt romney's not for the employment nondiscrimination act. so -- >> we are -- thomas. >> yeah. >> we are an lgbt advocacy group, so of course, the freedom to serve in our nation's military, the freedom to marry are all vital issues of real concern to us. and after meeting with the candidate and speaking with the campaign frequently, we did come to the conclusion that we felt we could work with the romney administration on issues like workplace nondiscrimination. that said, you're right, we do currently disagree with governor romney on the issue of marriage. but that is a significant part of why log cabin republicans exist. we are republicans who can speak to other republicans to make the conservative case for these issues. i mean, we have watched the united states move very rapidly on these issues over the last ten years. and as much as president obama had a process to evolve on the issue of
ryan is in congress trying to draft person hood amendments that limit a woman's right to choose. they are not for lily ledbetter the fair pay act to give women equality in the workplace. and mitt romney's not for the employment nondiscrimination act. so -- >> we are -- thomas. >> yeah. >> we are an lgbt advocacy group, so of course, the freedom to serve in our nation's military, the freedom to marry are all vital issues of real concern to us. and after meeting with the...
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i happen to believe the paul ryan approach was not the right approach to say the least. i thought that his idea of premium support, capping the amount that was put into it, would have raised the cost of medicare insurance on many seniors and i think it was unworkable and certainly didn't support it. some have suggested raising the medicare retirement age, elinlibility age, i should say. -- eligibility age, i should say. i have trouble with that. my trouble is this, in my family, i had an older brother who passed away a few years ago, when he retired he had health insurance from his employer out in california, and then he had a massive heart attack and surgery, and they canceled his insurance. my very conservative republican brother, who had no use for social programs, started counting the days until he was eligible for medicare. that was the only place he could turn. what was at stake for all of his savings he put together for his family. so when we talk, if anybody wants to talk, about a later eligibility age for medicare, what i want to hear is the assurance and guaran
i happen to believe the paul ryan approach was not the right approach to say the least. i thought that his idea of premium support, capping the amount that was put into it, would have raised the cost of medicare insurance on many seniors and i think it was unworkable and certainly didn't support it. some have suggested raising the medicare retirement age, elinlibility age, i should say. -- eligibility age, i should say. i have trouble with that. my trouble is this, in my family, i had an older...
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ryan would not. so i give you great respect for the courage you've shown in the past. but if we're just going to talk this way and sort of stake out our positions on our side, we should probably move on to afghanistan or another issue. >> joe, let me be specific. what we did in simpson/bowles was to set targets for savings in this health care programs, and we must do it. and then sit down and say what are the changes we can make within the programs that don't challenge their integrity but basically reduce their costs. and we can do those. it was a long list in simpson/bowles. there were 20 options given to us. and there were many things i could support. but to sit here and tick off the two or three that would be the easy parts, i don't think it is going to be that simple. i think we've got to be able to attack the entitlement programs, but do it in a sensible way that doesn't destroy them. >> okay. we hope both sides can do that. eugene robinson, you write in "washington post" today about breaking gr
ryan would not. so i give you great respect for the courage you've shown in the past. but if we're just going to talk this way and sort of stake out our positions on our side, we should probably move on to afghanistan or another issue. >> joe, let me be specific. what we did in simpson/bowles was to set targets for savings in this health care programs, and we must do it. and then sit down and say what are the changes we can make within the programs that don't challenge their integrity but...
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so did paul ryan. so it doesn't this weekend like a lot of movement there. despite painting the picture they are getting wobbly on taxes. >> what is going on now is positioning and posturing. you have to get the big boys here. there are four people and you saw them a week ago at the white house. they were optimistic rhetoric about getting a deal done before christmas, before the december 31 deadline. right now, the logic is, this came out of the meetings that were held between the white house liaison and the head of the staff director and the past week. we need large frames that we can offer to the principl princo when they begin negotiation they know where they are headed. >> bret: a lot of focus on the tax issue. republican side. what we haven't heard is the specifics about what the democrats are willing to do on entitlement reform. >> so given the fact of the election, the democrats believe they have an advantage here. don't sacrifice entitlement. you hear now from the leading democrats like dick durbin saying don't go after social security. they are tryi
so did paul ryan. so it doesn't this weekend like a lot of movement there. despite painting the picture they are getting wobbly on taxes. >> what is going on now is positioning and posturing. you have to get the big boys here. there are four people and you saw them a week ago at the white house. they were optimistic rhetoric about getting a deal done before christmas, before the december 31 deadline. right now, the logic is, this came out of the meetings that were held between the white...
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remember, in 2011, it was folks to boehner's right, people like cantor and paul ryan who put pressure on boehner not to cut a deal with obama who said, let's try to win the election instead. that was the -- that was the conservative approach. and boehner seems to be positioning himself as at least -- according to his latest comments, as much more of a conciliator -- >> if there is a softening on the part of the republicans, especially house republicans, sit because of the election? >> i think it has to be. the two big policy decisions republicans in congress have to make after the election is on taxes and immigration. those are the two issues that are coming down the pike for them. taxes is first, immigration will be second. and the two issues, where if you look at the exit polls, they lost on both those issues to president obama. you hear a lot of conservatives in the more intellectual class of conservatives saying, get off the idea of tax rates basketball the end-all, be-all. and some conservative leaders are listening in congress. >> bill crystal, an intellectual leader of that con
remember, in 2011, it was folks to boehner's right, people like cantor and paul ryan who put pressure on boehner not to cut a deal with obama who said, let's try to win the election instead. that was the -- that was the conservative approach. and boehner seems to be positioning himself as at least -- according to his latest comments, as much more of a conciliator -- >> if there is a softening on the part of the republicans, especially house republicans, sit because of the election?...
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>> we haven't heard much from paul ryan. i was more intrigued with eric cantor, so often the thorn in the side for speaker boehner is now saying he wants to get in there and do a deal. >> it was definitely a more conciliatory tone. he didn't give too many specifics but it was a different tone. >> in some accounts it was cantor's pressure in leaving conservative house members against boehner a bit and that first time around that helps settle things a little bit. i thought cantor was saying publicly was the big tale and paul ryan i haven't heard much from yet. >> and the other people trying to get in are the governors especially the delaware governor jack markell on a conference call with joe biden and a dozen mayors went to washington, d.c. to lobby lawmakers. are states more scared of going off the fiscal cliff? >> sure. state budgets would be impacted dramatically and very bad for them. governors are very concerned about cuts to education funding. we'll be hearing a lot more from the governors i am sure in the next week or
>> we haven't heard much from paul ryan. i was more intrigued with eric cantor, so often the thorn in the side for speaker boehner is now saying he wants to get in there and do a deal. >> it was definitely a more conciliatory tone. he didn't give too many specifics but it was a different tone. >> in some accounts it was cantor's pressure in leaving conservative house members against boehner a bit and that first time around that helps settle things a little bit. i thought...
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it's going to be a premium support program, a voucher just like paul ryan wanted. >> right. >> and if everybody has health care, why can't we raise the age of eligibility for medicare a little bit? >> why can't we? >> right. >> i mean, so i've been attacked for that. >> why? >> why would you be attacked? >> because the left wants medicare for everybody forever. and medicare is, as you and i have discussed on this show -- >> it's unsustainable. >> yes. >> you know what i want? >> what? >> i want lollipops to grow on trees. i really do. i want whiskey to trickle down mountain streams. >> we have that. come to brooklyn. come to brooklyn. >> exactly. i would like john heilemann to be able to go to dispensers getting getting bubble gum, having acid drop out if that's what he wants. >> in colorado. >> i want all of these things, but it's not going to happen. the liberals certainly -- republicans may be afraid of math -- i mean, science. why are liberals afraid of math? do they not believe in math? because if you look at medicare and medicaid -- >> there are some conservatives who don't beli
it's going to be a premium support program, a voucher just like paul ryan wanted. >> right. >> and if everybody has health care, why can't we raise the age of eligibility for medicare a little bit? >> why can't we? >> right. >> i mean, so i've been attacked for that. >> why? >> why would you be attacked? >> because the left wants medicare for everybody forever. and medicare is, as you and i have discussed on this show -- >> it's...
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. >> ax looked at me and said they are going to pick paul ryan. at the time i thought to myself, they're going to spend a lot of time on defense on medicare, medicaid, all whole bunch of issues. >> they were not divisive issues. >> did you see how close florida was? i think they spent some time defending it. important. we aired several ads. i thought he added some youth and energy. they had a base concerns and he helped those. so i am not criticizing the pick i just think there were other -- >> you are. >> i was giving an assessment of the good and bad. >> was the helpful? he gave them excitement. he bought them silence from conservatives. did that help or hurt mitt romney? >> i do not think it did much of be there. here is the truth. we carried his home town. vice-presidential picks usually help you in their state or they add something to the national ticket. you have to ask governor romney. >> besides the automobile in the midwest, at what other regional issues? >> in iowa and colorado, wind energy tax credit. there was an issue that was importa
. >> ax looked at me and said they are going to pick paul ryan. at the time i thought to myself, they're going to spend a lot of time on defense on medicare, medicaid, all whole bunch of issues. >> they were not divisive issues. >> did you see how close florida was? i think they spent some time defending it. important. we aired several ads. i thought he added some youth and energy. they had a base concerns and he helped those. so i am not criticizing the pick i just think...
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ryan was a pretty unpopular vice-presidential candidate. people do not want to cut those programs. >> gregg: and during the 2008 presidential debate, the president promised and i looked it up and double-checked it today, he promised that he would have entitlement reform accomplished and put forth by the end of his first term. hasn't done it. why not? >> well, i think we need to talk about smart cuts first, and what that means is getting rid of waste and fraud and abuse. it means getting rid of these things. >> gregg: he's breaking his promise, isn't he? >> i don't know that that's right. i think when we talked. >> gregg: i watched the debate today, they had a clip. >> sure. >> gregg: of it on youtube, you can take a look at it. and there are 258 americans signed onto the grover norquist pledge never to quote for a tax hike, closing tax loopholes. speaker boehner says i'm willing to break it and do the latter on deductions and exemptions and saxby chambliss the senator said it's time to ditch grover and his pledge, is it? >> all bets are off
ryan was a pretty unpopular vice-presidential candidate. people do not want to cut those programs. >> gregg: and during the 2008 presidential debate, the president promised and i looked it up and double-checked it today, he promised that he would have entitlement reform accomplished and put forth by the end of his first term. hasn't done it. why not? >> well, i think we need to talk about smart cuts first, and what that means is getting rid of waste and fraud and abuse. it means...
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the only plan that i think i've supported is the paul ryan bill, which reduces the deficit, brings down the debt, doesn't raise taxes, and it's a plan that mr. chambliss voted for. so i think they caught im, and he said things that didn't make sense. what i have been urging all candidates to do, is to look at the fiscal cliff. we need to have any negotiations about raising taxes or deferring spending restraint, obama wants to spend more on stimulus spending, and to raise taxes. if whatever we discuss needs to be in front of cspan cameras so every american knows exactly what both sides are saying. >> has he talked to you about this? have you had any type of a conversation about it? if you look at this, the question is whether he is reading the cards and asking himself what position he needs to be in in the next reelection campaign. >> well, chambliss was part of what was called the gang of six, three republicans and three democrats that tried to take the simpson bowles outline, and they could not come to an agreement. they wanted all tax increases and no spending restraint, so that did n
the only plan that i think i've supported is the paul ryan bill, which reduces the deficit, brings down the debt, doesn't raise taxes, and it's a plan that mr. chambliss voted for. so i think they caught im, and he said things that didn't make sense. what i have been urging all candidates to do, is to look at the fiscal cliff. we need to have any negotiations about raising taxes or deferring spending restraint, obama wants to spend more on stimulus spending, and to raise taxes. if whatever we...
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in the state of wisconsin, especially, i'm not talking about paul ryan. i'm talking about a guy named scott walker. >> governor of the great state of wisconsin, caught walker! >>neil: from madison, wisconsin, this is it, "do or die", the final hours before voters in this state died whether to make their governor the third to go down to recall defeat. >> governor walker reminding me he is fit. he is ready. he will survive. >> if you win, governor, what do you think it means? >> it is a victory for courage, not only in wisconsin but across the country. for years i have heard people tell me, voters, people complaining, democrat or republican, complaining about politicians at the state and local and national legal, they don't have guts to take on the issues. the politicians have to take on the issues. politicians fail to do that. the victory tomorrow is a victory for everyone across the country in a local and state government and those like paul ryan in washington trying to do equally great things. it would be a victory to say voters mean it when they want yo
in the state of wisconsin, especially, i'm not talking about paul ryan. i'm talking about a guy named scott walker. >> governor of the great state of wisconsin, caught walker! >>neil: from madison, wisconsin, this is it, "do or die", the final hours before voters in this state died whether to make their governor the third to go down to recall defeat. >> governor walker reminding me he is fit. he is ready. he will survive. >> if you win, governor, what do you...
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>> i think paul ryan and rick santorum and a number of other candidates who certainly are going to be viable players going forward are also names to watch. but i think that the party standard bearer will likely be somebody who's able to reach a broad coalition going forward. more than just conservatives. and the republican base. whoever it is has to reach a lot more folks. >> yeah. so margie, chris christie, always being talked about for this. does his embrace of the president during hurricane sandy, do you think that hurts or helps him, in tells of both getting a nomination, and then being elected? because that can be two different things. >> i'm a new jersey native. and my stepfather has the same sort of new jersey attitude that chris christie has. i think that attitude, sometimes can be hurtful for chris christie in the case of hurricane sandy, it was really helpful to show he was going to say it like it is. which is, i'm here to help the people in new jersey, rather than play politics. i don't think it cost mitt romney the election at all. i think it's foolish for republicans to b
>> i think paul ryan and rick santorum and a number of other candidates who certainly are going to be viable players going forward are also names to watch. but i think that the party standard bearer will likely be somebody who's able to reach a broad coalition going forward. more than just conservatives. and the republican base. whoever it is has to reach a lot more folks. >> yeah. so margie, chris christie, always being talked about for this. does his embrace of the president...
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paul ryan said the reason we won is because we did well in urban areas. we won his hometown by 24 points and he lost it by ten and it's not an urban area. so it's disturbing within eighty days there is that think about that gift to young people, latinos. gifts of contraception to women. so if that's your diagnosis, and it actually has eerie echoes of the 47%. so to the think of soul searching. governor romney is going off the stage. others who are going to be facing voters in 2014 and 2016 are going to be most prominent in deciding a direction. i think that would be concerning to anybody in the republican party is thinking how do we get more square with the country as it exists today. >> i think technology played an interesting role in both of those moments and perhaps others in the campaign. i'd love to hear you talk about this for a moment. for example, in a previous era the 47% tape might never have been made or might have only been an audio taped and leaked to the "new york times" or "washington post" or some other newspaper and excerpts would have be
paul ryan said the reason we won is because we did well in urban areas. we won his hometown by 24 points and he lost it by ten and it's not an urban area. so it's disturbing within eighty days there is that think about that gift to young people, latinos. gifts of contraception to women. so if that's your diagnosis, and it actually has eerie echoes of the 47%. so to the think of soul searching. governor romney is going off the stage. others who are going to be facing voters in 2014 and 2016 are...
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. >> with finances, the right was pretty happy with the fact that paul ryan was chosen on the ticket considered to be a budget hawk on the hill. does he have a prospect, a brighter future because of the practice that he got out of going through this election and the lessons learned, possibly utilize that going forward? >> this conversation reminds me of the stephen colbert skit of a committee to explore the question of whether or not they should create a committee. you know, clearly ryan is i guess somewhat self appointed, new right young thing of the party and listening to john boehner's comments when asked if he's the leader of the party, there's disagreement in the party and bears remembering every time we have done this in the past election cycles, thought object who the likely candidates were, almost none of them ended up being the likely candidate. mitt romney is an exception and perceived to be a credible front-runner of 2012 and tim pawlenty. >> experience of '08? >> yeah. my point is -- >> traction. >> we project forward based on who's the luminaries now. it often is someone
. >> with finances, the right was pretty happy with the fact that paul ryan was chosen on the ticket considered to be a budget hawk on the hill. does he have a prospect, a brighter future because of the practice that he got out of going through this election and the lessons learned, possibly utilize that going forward? >> this conversation reminds me of the stephen colbert skit of a committee to explore the question of whether or not they should create a committee. you know, clearly...
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. >> paul ryan. >> paul ryan did. did you believe on election day you were going to win? >> i thought between the end of the debates, the debate season and the onset of the storm, we had tremendous momentum. >> yeah. >> we saw it in our internal data, saw it in some of the external data, the public data and saw it on the ground. we would go to rallies, people standing in lines, thousand for hours. >> what happened? why was your internal data so flawed? why was it so wrong? >> i think a couple things. one, there is a -- some kind of systemic crisis today in the world of polling, i think on the right of center polling. the modeling was way off. how pollsters on the republican side -- although not just the republican side. gallup polling, rasmussen made similar mistakes. the understanding, the electorate looked like was way off. >> first of all, you know rasmussen is a republican poll. >> gallup? i'm not letting anyone off the hook. i'm saying there is -- look the republican establishment needs to do an audit and figure out how our understanding of what the electorate looked
. >> paul ryan. >> paul ryan did. did you believe on election day you were going to win? >> i thought between the end of the debates, the debate season and the onset of the storm, we had tremendous momentum. >> yeah. >> we saw it in our internal data, saw it in some of the external data, the public data and saw it on the ground. we would go to rallies, people standing in lines, thousand for hours. >> what happened? why was your internal data so flawed? why...
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ryan budget. it was on social security and on medicare. now what we have is dozens of republicans who weathered those attacks and they came out on top. so when they come to a fiscal cliff negotiation, they're saying why should we compromise when you attacked us on the paul ryan budget and we're still standing? voters voted for us. so i think it's less likely we're going to see kind of a grand compromise because both sides are very entrenched. >> woodruff: even with that small pick-up of democrats in the house and even though the presidential vote was bigger than the overall house republican vote? >> right. i mean that's... both camps, you know,. >> woodruff: we'll have an argument. >> i think when it comes to the .. there's all sorts of discussion on the fiscal cliff. president obama and speaker boehner are probably more willing to compromise, but their caucuses and their parties are very entrenched. i don't think we know what's going to happen out of this. >> woodruff: we certainly don't. nathan
ryan budget. it was on social security and on medicare. now what we have is dozens of republicans who weathered those attacks and they came out on top. so when they come to a fiscal cliff negotiation, they're saying why should we compromise when you attacked us on the paul ryan budget and we're still standing? voters voted for us. so i think it's less likely we're going to see kind of a grand compromise because both sides are very entrenched. >> woodruff: even with that small pick-up of...
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>> paul ryan is different because he was the vp. >> probably an unfair comparison. to add to your point, a lot of rising stars in the republican national convention and i thought rubio was so clearly sort of the class of that class. >> went after clint eastwood. >> fair point. context is everything. we'll be right back with the three of you. first, trivia time. we asked what was the fourth closest state by percentage in the 2008 presidential election. now this stunned me. the answer is montana. as we told 0 you, missouri, north carolina, and indiana were the three closest states, all decided by less than a point. mccain won montana by just over 2.2 percentage points making the race there even closer than in florida. you can stump your political junkie family members at the thanksgiving table. they will not know that. of course they'll have been watching "the daily rundown" so they may know it. >>> the third agency of government, i would do away with education, the commerce and, let's see -- i can't. the third one i can't. oops. >> it's still so painful these many mo
>> paul ryan is different because he was the vp. >> probably an unfair comparison. to add to your point, a lot of rising stars in the republican national convention and i thought rubio was so clearly sort of the class of that class. >> went after clint eastwood. >> fair point. context is everything. we'll be right back with the three of you. first, trivia time. we asked what was the fourth closest state by percentage in the 2008 presidential election. now this stunned...
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right after the election, paul ryan spoke about losing the race because of urban voters. take a look. >> the polling we had, the numbers we were looking at looked like we stood a pretty good chance of winning. so when the numbers came in, going the other direction, when we see the kind of turnout that was occurring in urban areas, which were fairly unprecedented, it did come as a shock. those are the kind of losses, that catch you by surprise. >> co-founder of sun pac, conservative outreach program for the hispanic community jeb bush jr. >> thanks for having me. >> my pleasure. certainly the president won paul ryan's own district, which is white and suburban, won eric cantore's own district, white and suburban. what do you think is your reason ultimately for why the gop lost? >> i think as it relates to our our ban, latino and hispanic districts, we didn't get the message out. they had a better message tas relates to immigration and the economy. it was a tough night. we're looking forward to take a word from the presidential campaign, we're looking forward to the mid term
right after the election, paul ryan spoke about losing the race because of urban voters. take a look. >> the polling we had, the numbers we were looking at looked like we stood a pretty good chance of winning. so when the numbers came in, going the other direction, when we see the kind of turnout that was occurring in urban areas, which were fairly unprecedented, it did come as a shock. those are the kind of losses, that catch you by surprise. >> co-founder of sun pac, conservative...
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and the paul ryans and marco rubios, they have no foreign policy. they are going to have to wait. we're going to have to hope they will educate themselves and find something worthwhile and an opposition to the democrats, but the democrats and to some extent the press did learn from the iraq debacle. but they are in this sort of denial about the iraq war like everything else. >> we need to force progress there. i don't know how it's going to happen. >> it's all up to you now. >> they are not going to listen to me or you. frank, it's always good to have you here. >>> have you ever, speaking of iraq, failed really dismally at something and then feared the consequences of you failing so dismally? i have a story that will set your mind at ease. nothing bad might happen to you, no matter how bad you failed. hold on. >>> the republican party got shellacked in the election this year. nobody has been elected with an unemployment rate this high. but president obama did it and did it by a lot. it was just supposed to be a no brain er brainer this year that the republicans would take back the
and the paul ryans and marco rubios, they have no foreign policy. they are going to have to wait. we're going to have to hope they will educate themselves and find something worthwhile and an opposition to the democrats, but the democrats and to some extent the press did learn from the iraq debacle. but they are in this sort of denial about the iraq war like everything else. >> we need to force progress there. i don't know how it's going to happen. >> it's all up to you now....